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Best Place for Information?
What do you do on a day to day basis?
Is there an SRB bonus?
What Kinds of TDYs would I be able to go on?
Can I go to a Special Forces Unit?
What PT standard should I be shooting for before I go to Florida?
Conscience Objectors!
I'm a SSgt, will I have people working for me?
Joint Spouse
What Schools can I attend?
How much will I be TDY?
I'm in the Guard, How do I go Active?
My recruiter had no idea about this job.

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Q.  Best Place for Information?  First hit the message board on this site, its under communications. On there you will find two areas that will answer your questions. first is 'Ask the School House' then there is 'Cross Training'. HIGHLY recommend that you read all the posts before posting a question. 99 times out of 100, its already been asked and answered. Next is your MPF. Although they may not have much, they might have something you can use. If you are coming into the military then your recruiter is a good start but if he knows nothing about this job then pass him my email and have him get in contact with me and I'll link him up with our recruiting guys.

1C4 3-Level
COURSE ID: E3ABP1C431 000 REPLACED BY: L3ABP1C431 0T0A
TITLE: Tactical Air Command and Control Apprentice
PDS: 0NU DATE ADDED: 1/21/1999
AFSC: 1C431 DATE UPDATED: 10/4/2005
CATEGORY: Technical DOD CODE: 101
SECURITY: START DATE:
MASL: AIRCRAFT:
LOCATION: Hurlburt Field
LENGTH: 73 Days
ORG/PGM: Air Education and Training Command / Enlisted Operations Training
CLASS FREQ:
ADSC DESC: None
WEBLINK: https://www.hurlburt.af.mil/milonly/tenantunits/334det1/
COURSE CONTACT: 334TRS/TRR / 597-5372
Course Description:

Trains personnel who are normally stationed on an Army installation in operation of vehicle mounted and portable radio communications equipment; radio telephone procedures; electronic counter-counter measures; tactical vehicle operations; field skills necessary for sustained combat operations with Army ground units to encompass map reading, compass operations, cover concealment camouflage, and land navigation techniques; comprehensive knowledge of the Tactical Air Control System and Army Air Ground System (TACS/AAGS); how to utilize multiple command assets in joint combat operations to plan and execute tactical air and ground weapons resources in direct support of Army ground maneuver units. Upon graduation, personnel are normally assigned to Army installations worldwide.
Prerequisites:
Must have a valid civilian driver's license; normal color vision and depth perception according to AFI 48-123 (formerly AFR 160-43); no speech impediment or any physical limitations preventing students from participating in a rigorous physical training program and meeting and maintaining worldwide mobility criteria.
Quota Control:
Recommended Items:
Recommended Packing List: The below listed items are not mandatory but are good comfort items to have during training. All of the items are available at clothing sales.
4x summer weight BDUs (Older uniforms suitable for field training)
2x Jungle Boots (Older boots suitable for field training)
100oz back pack type water system (i.e. Camel Back)
Flight Gloves
2 pairs of running shoes
Digital Watch w/ stopwatch
10 Pairs of Thorlo boot socks
10 pairs of sock liners
Stadtler Lumocolor Permanent Markers (2x Black/Super Fine & 1 Eraser Marker/Bold)
Mini Mag Flashlight w/ red lens
Micro Flashlight w/ red lens
Multi Tool
Folding Knife (3-4" Blade)
Lighter
Tactical Notepad w/ waterproof paper
5x 36" Bungee Cords (Green or Black)


Reporting Instructs:
Hand-carry personnel, dental, medical, and driving records. Graduates of the Tactical Air Command and Control Apprentice course will attend S-V80-A, Combat Survival Training, at Fairchild AFB upon completion of technical training. Graduates of the Tactical Air Command and Control course selected for Basic Parachutist training will attend S-V80-A, Combat Survival Training, following completion of basic parachutist course. Address scheduling conflicts to 2 AF/DOPC, DSN 597-1345.
Reporting Instructions Supplemental
Prior Service PCS/TDY Students: (Duration of course/courses less then 20 weeks/100 academic days.) All PCS/TDY active duty or ANG students must report to the orderly room between 0900 and 1600 hours prior to class start date. Every effort should be made to arrive at Hurlburt Field during duty hours. If arrival is after duty hours, students should report to the lodging office, Commando Inn, located in Bldg 90509 for temporary lodging.
Split Training Option (STO) Students: STO students must report the Monday - 1 week prior to their scheduled class start date. Upon arrival at Hurlburt Field, STO students will report directly to their Military Training Flight (see unit of assignment below). STO students should notify the Military Training Flight (DSN579-6855) to provide advanced notice of arrival time and date so that transportation from the airport can be arranged.


NOTES:
1. Pipeline students will be met by an MTF representative and taken directly to dormitory. Split Training Option (STO) students and pipeline students reporting from another wing after elimination/reclassification will be required to report to the MTF upon arrival at Hurlburt Field.
2. All prior service TDY and PCS students (active duty and ANG) MUST in-process the orderly room the first duty day after reporting to Hurlburt Field.


Special Notes:
Student Quarters

Pipeline Students: Pipeline students reporting directly from Basic Military Training or from another training wing after elimination/reclassification will be housed in non-prior service dormitories. Pipeline students who have completed a basic course and are sent for follow-on training should continue to be treated and housed as pipeline students.
Split Training Option (STO) Students: STO students will be treated and housed as pipeline students. Upon arrival at Hurlburt Field STO students will report directly to their Military Training Flight (see unit of assignment under Reporting Instructions on this page).
Prior Service Students: PS students will be treated and housed as non-pipeline students. Upon arrival at Hurlburt Field PS students will report directly to their respective Training Flight for room assignment.
EFFECTIVE 21 MAY 2002: Change to AFI 34-246/AETC Supplement 1, Air Force Lodging Program: Paragraph 1.6.4.2. Managers must maximize the use of on-base lodging. This means that managers may require students to be lodged both on and off base during the course of their TDY, provided students are only moved once and the length of stay in both locations is at least 5 days. For example, if students arrive and space is available for the first 5 days on base and the length of the TDY is 10 days, managers must place the students on base and then move them to off-base lodging for the remaining 5 days. Students must receive 24-hours notice of any move on or off base.
Prior Service PCS and TDY Students: (Duration of course/courses 20 weeks/100 academic days or MORE.) Single or unaccompanied enlisted students in PCS status will reside in prior service dormitories at no cost to the member. If arrival is after duty hours, students should report to the lodging office, Commando Inn, located in Bldg 90509 for temporary lodging. PCS and TDY students accompanied by family members are authorized to stay in temporary lodging facilities (TLF) for up to 10 days while looking for a place to live. Advance reservations for TLF must be made prior to arrival by following the guidance above in Temporary Lodging Reservations.
All Prior-Service (TDY, PCS, or ANG) Students must arrive prior to class start date. If arrival at Hurlburt Field is during the duty day, report to the unit orderly room building 90329, room 121, to in -process. If arrival at Hurlburt Field is after duty hours, students should report to the temporary lodging office as described above. Students will be expected to check out of temporary lodging the next duty day and report to the orderly room for dormitory check-in instructions.
Special Rqmts:
There is a mandatory physical training program for all students assigned to the E3ABP1C431 000 course. Upon start of the course, students are administered a physical conditioning evaluation. If students are found deficient in any of the test areas, they will be put on remedial physical training conducted every duty day. Those students who satisfactorily maintain standards will perform physical training every other duty day. Graduating students must obtain a minimum score of 60 points on each of the following exercises: pushups, sit-ups, and a two-mile run. The Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT), stated in FM 21-20, is used to conduct and evaluate physical training.
Non-prior service (NPS) enlisted (Pipeline) and split training option (STO) students WILL participate in a structured physical conditioning (PC) program. PC uniforms will be standardized by flight upon arrival. Each flight will determine their PT uniform. Until a uniform is established, the initial PC uniform will consist of a brown T-shirt, BDU pants, white socks, and approved running shoes.


Transportation
A Military Training Leader or representative will be at the airport to meet all non-prior service students reporting from BMT. Prior Service TDY/ANG students can either drive from their home or departing units or will have to take a taxi from the airport to the base. The cost of the taxi can be claimed on your travel voucher so make sure you ask for a receipt.


Special Orders
Upon reporting to Bldg 90210, Military Pay Section, personnel must have four copies of orders directing them to attend training along with receipts of authorized expenses.
Weight Management Program
Home unit commanders are responsible to ensure military personnel selected for technical training comply with AFI 40-502, Air Force Weight Management Program, and AETC Supplement to AFI 40-502. Air National Guard members must be in compliance with ANG/MPP Policy Letter, Change in Weight Management Program (WMP) Policy Concerning Operations/Technical Training Courses at AETC Facilities, dated 11 Jul 1997.


Uniform Rqmts:
No organizational hats may be worn with BDUs. The camouflage pattern garrison hat is the only authorized headgear for wear with the BDU. The following paragraphs have additional uniform requirements. Students must adhere to course specific uniform requirements listed on the course announcement. These uniform requirements also apply to ANG Air Technicians attending course.
Enlisted: Personnel attending AFSC pipeline courses must have the service dress uniform with service cap, light blue shirt with short/long sleeves, and four sets of battle dress uniforms (BDU). These uniform requirements also apply to ANG students attending AFSC pipeline courses at Hurlburt Field.
During the period of 1 October through 31 March, students must have field jacket/gortex jacket with liner, thermal underwear, and gloves with liners.
NOTE: Please use the Course Contact office symbol and DSN phone number (at the top of the course announcement) for questions on uniform requirements.


Location Information:
Hurlburt Field USAF
Mary Esther, FL 32544


Note
Course announcements have precedence over these instructions. Follow any specific guidance provided in course announcements.


Reporting Location and Time
During duty hours (0700-1600 CST), report to Bldg 90350, 4442 TCG student dormitory. After duty hours report to the base Billeting Office, Bldg 90509, in uniform. Students arriving after duty hours report to 4442 TCG student dormitory at 0800 on the next duty day, in uniform. TDY students report NET 0730, 2 duty days before class start date and NLT 0800, 1 duty day before class start date. Upon graduation from course E3ABP1C431 000, students will proceed, as a class, to AETC Combat Survival Training Course (S-V80-A). 4442d TCG/CCQS personnel will prepare orders and make all travel arrangements for pipeline students. For TDY students, the losing unit should include TDY en route to AETC Combat Survival Training Course (S-V80-A) following successful completion of course E3ABP1C431 000 on student's orders.

For AFS0F3ZIT0 only: All students should report to the base billeting office, bldg 90509. Reservations will be made by the AFSOC/INFT staff. Questions regarding billeting or student billeting confirmation numbers can be directed to INFT at DSN 579-4316/2841. The I-FTU course is held in Building 91255, Helicopter Generation Squadron.


Quarters
All students attending course E3ABP1C431 000, Tactical Air Command and Control Specialist, are required to reside in the student dormitory.
For AFS0F3ZIT0 students only: All students will be billeted on base unless otherwise notified.


Transportation
Government quarters and adequate dining facilities are within walking distance of the training facility. Government transportation is available. All students attending course E3ABP1C431 000, Tactical Air Command and Control Specialist, are required to march to and from school.
For AFS0F3ZIT0 students only: One rental car will be available for each class. The senior ranking member of each class will have the rental car authorized on their orders unless otherwise notified. This member is responsible for providing transportation for the class, as required.


Uniform Requirements
Duty uniform for all course E3ABP1C431 000 students is the utility uniform (BDUs); however, students are required to have the complete issue of clothing. Also, due to regularly scheduled PC requirements, running shoes and athletic clothes are required.
For AFS0F3ZIT0 students only: The duty uniform for all students is BDUs


Physical Conditioning (PC)
A mandatory PC program for all students assigned to course E3ABP1C431 000 has been established. At course start, PC will consist of stretching exercises, calisthenics, and a 2-mile run. Graduating students must obtain a minimum score of 60 points on the Army Physical Readiness Test (APRT) according to Army Field Manual 21-20. For entry into the school, it is recommended that students condition themselves to be able to accomplish the following:
Push-ups. 32 push-ups in a 2-minute time period - must remain in the push-up position for the entire 2 minutes with short rest periods only in the up position. Sit-ups. 42 sit-ups in a 2-minute time period -- feet may be held.
Two-mile run. Run two miles in less than 17 minutes and 30 seconds.



Q.  What do you do on a Day to Day Basis?

     A.  That is really unit dependent.   All of the units have PT (Physical Training) in the morning from 0XXX to 0900.  Some units do it 5 days a week, some do it 3, some do formation PT all week, some have formation on M,W,F and Tue,Thur are up to the flight NCOIC.  And of course at the far end of the extreme are the SOF (Ranger and SF) sections that do it everyday, twice a day.

            After PT its very unit dependent.   Some units are more into training than others, but all of them have vehicles and radios to maintain (IE Clean, inspect for damage and operate).  On Mondays we usually do radio checks with each other, and once a month we would try to contact the ASOC where-ever it's located at.  End of the day depends on what's going on.  Could be 1500, could be 1800.  Could be we are rolling out the door for locations unknown.

 

Q.  Is there an SRB Bonus?

     A.  Yep,  I believe its currently a 3 for Zone A, 2 for Zone B and zero for everyone else.  To figure out how this works, take your base pay, multiply it by the Zone number and multiply that by the number of years you sign up for.  So for a first enlistment (Zone A) you sign up for 6 years.  Lets say your base pay is 500 (just an even number, not a real pay), So it would be 500 X 6 X 3 =  9000.00 bucks.  You get the first « ($4500) right then and then you receive a portion of it for the next 5 years on your anniversary month ($900.00).  

Update 4.23.2004  1C4X1   TAC AIR COMD & CONTROL  5.0     4.5     2.5

ZONE A:  17 MOS - 6 YRS SVC; ZONE B:  6-10 YRS SVC; ZONE C: 10-14 YRS SVC. B.  AN "X" SUFFIX INCLUDES BASIC AFSC AND ALL SHREDS UNLESS SPECIFICALLY INDICATED. C.  MAXIMUM BONUS AUTHORIZED IS $60,000.00.

 

Q.  What kinds of TDYs would I be able to go on?

     A.   We currently support missions everywhere you see on CNN.  We have standing presences in Bosnia and Kuwait.  We deploy to Thailand, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam to name a few of the odder ones.  This is also unit dependent.  Some units move around more than others, some have just gotten "Out of the Zone" because they have spent the last 6 months doing heavy TDY's and group is giving them a break.  METT.

 

Q.  Can I go to a Special Forces Unit?

A.  No.  There are several requirements to work with the Special Forces (SF, not to be confused with the Security Forces which are not even in the same league with my army buddies). What you need to have is maturity, in both actions, rank, and experience in the career field.  What makes us different in the way we support SF as opposed to some other AFSC's, we have tryouts, we have a minimum rank requirement and we validate our selections that we send there.  When supporting a "conventional" unit you are going to have a team of guys with you.  An ALO is going to provide the Liaison function between the TACP element, the Army Ground commander and the entire USAF.  Your play will be as part of a team.  When you go to the Rangers or the Special Forces, You Da Man!  You will be operating as part of a Special Forces A team or as part of a Ranger Company.  You will be the only "blue" suit within miles.  You will be filling the role of ALO, TACP, ETAC, CINC everything Air Force and, oh by the way, will be expected to know everything Army.     

Hit this page for the latest on Special Forces TACPs 

Q.  What PT standard should I be shooting for before I go to Florida?

     A.  Actually this one is pretty standard.  We, the 1C4X1 AFSC, are required to pass the US Army Physical Fitness test every year.  The events are (drum roll), 2 mile run, sit-ups and Pushups.  Pretty simple really.     Here is a minimum you should be at before you show at Florida.  (this will allow you to focus on your classroom learning and not be stressing over the "gig pit" or the PT you will be doing at 0400 tomorrow morning). 

Run 2 miles in 15 minutes or less.  (I'm 37 and I can do it in 14:50 without pushing hard)

Do 70 sit-ups.    This is almost double what is required for the PT test but realize that you will be doing sit-ups over several revolutions and then do the PT standard.  So during a typical PT session you will probably do 200 sit-ups, just not all at once.

WHATS THE FIRST EXERCISE ON THE PT FIELD??????  THE PUSH UP SGT!!!!!  That's right, the lovable Pushup.  Be able to crank out about 70 of these in one shot.  You will easily do over 200-500 per day (the pushup is fun, too much fun to just do on the pt field.  Classroom, hallway, outside, inside, chow, while sleeping.ok maybe not while sleeping but you get the idea).  If you feel you have what it takes to jump from an aircraft while in flight, at night, with combat equipment, while bad people are on the ground taking shots at you.  REQUEST AIRBORNE!  I'm not real current on what they do to the Airborne candidates now but when I went through.you were probably in grade school.we had a "special" pt program for the jumpers.  It built "character"  which means that it was not a lot of fun but it prepared you to graduate from Airborne training.

 

Q.  Conscience Objectors!

    WARNING WARNING.  PERSONAL OPINION 
     A.  This one I added.  Its only come up once as a question, but here is the deal.  You join us, (or the military for that matter) you should be prepared to go into a hostile region and give an enemy soldier the maximum chance to give his life for his country.  You need to understand that I don't give a shit about your religion, your personal belief on killing or anything like that. I don't care if you are a tree hugger or you want to drill gaping holes in national forests.   It doesn't matter.  You do your job to the best of your capabilities and the mission will handle itself, the good guys will win, get the girl and go on to do beer commercials.  You go slack or refuse to do your job and someone else has to take it up for you.  I will personally seek you out and... well use your imagination.  Your failure to do your job could get one of my brother's killed.  That is unacceptable. If you are joining my job to get your college degree, peachy, go for it, lots of guys are, but when the mission comes down you had better be there with your ruck on your back and your weapon in your hand.   Remember this.  You asked to join us, we did not come looking for you.  We are professionals here, losers need not apply.  Thus enduth rantings.

 

Q.  I'm a SSgt, will I have people working for me?

     A.  When you graduate from techschool you will be placed in charge of a Battalion.  You will have anywhere from one to five studs working for you.  In the first couple of months I suggest that you listen to everything they tell you.  Sure they will try to get over on you but take heed.  An Airman with 6 months in the job has 6 months more experience than you do. After you have gotten your feet wet, reign in the studs and get down to some serious training.

 

Q.  Joint Spouse

     A.  Check out the ROMAD.COM Phone book page.  Notice that there are not a lot of Air Force bases.  Unless you have married a Army chick you may have problems.  Now some of the guys married Admin or supply folks.  Each TACP has an Admin and Supply position (there are exceptions such as SF and Ranger units, who have no internal support).  Ft Bragg and Ft Carson are two installations that have a Bases VERY close if you can swing it that's a solution.  But remember, you can't homestead in this job like most other AFSC's.  Our guys move around A LOT.

 

Q.  What Schools can I attend?

     A.  All army schools and most Marine Schools.  Ranger, Pathfinder, Mountain Leaders Course, Marine TACP, Static line Parachuting, Scuba, Sniper, HALO etc.  The only limitation you have is, of course the unit you are attached to (not a lot of armor guys need scuba  or airborne qualifications) and the budget of your supported unit.  I got most of my schools on the Army Dime.  I talked the S-3 into paying for them and off I went.  I think Specials Forces paid for my Pathfinder slot.  I don't remember.  Most of my other courses that I attended were local and incurred no real cost.  Its all on you to work it.  Its your future, you set the path.  I do recommend, however, that you complete your CDCs before you even start badge hunting.  You are useless if you have a stack of badges and can't even turn on your radio.

 

Q.  How much will I be TDY?

     A.  That varies.  Lets put it this way.  Missions to Irwin can be from 14-35 days, Kuwait : 90-120 days.  Brightstar: 40 days.  Ulechi Focus Lens: 15-30 days.  Cobra Gold: up to 30 days.  Bosnia: 90 Days.  Kosovo: 90/120 Days.  Italy at the AOC: 90 Days.  Joint Readiness Training Center (JRTC): 30 days.  There are a lot more but you get the idea.  When I first got married I was home 6 weeks of that first year.  When I was with SF I was TDY about the same for almost 4 years.  The job is what you make it.

 

Q.  I'm in the Guard, How do I go Active?      A:  Good question.  I don't have a good answer. I've seen guys go the other way, but I would highly recommend contacting the Guard liaison and see what they can do for you.  check the ROMAD.COM phone book page for numbers.

 

Q.  My recruiter had no idea about this job.

     A.  No surprise.  Most don't.  We are slowly getting the word out but it takes time.  They, the recruiters, are still stuck in the paper age and are slowly moving into the digital era.  Send me the recruiters email address and I'll send them this FAQ and few other documents from the formal school catalog and they can "make a note of it".   Charlie.Heidal@romad.com   Realize, however that they are working to fill quotas and if there is no quota for 1C4X1 then they are less apt to spend the time updating the information they have.  You can click this link to get more information about the techschool