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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS (FAQ)
What do you do on a day to day basis?
What Kinds of TDYs would I be able to go on?
Can I go to a Special Forces Unit?
What PT standard should I be shooting for before I go to Florida?
I’m a SSgt, will I have people working for me?
I’m in the Guard, How do I go Active?
My recruiter had no idea about this job.
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First hit the message board on this site, its
under communications. On there you will find two areas that will answer your questions.
first is ‘Ask the School House’ then there is ‘Cross Training’. HIGHLY recommend that you
read all the posts before posting a question. 99 times out of 100, its already been asked
and answered. Next is your MPF. Although they may not have much, they might have something
you can use. If you are coming into the military then your recruiter is a good start
but if he knows nothing about this job then pass him my email and have him get in contact
with me and I’ll link him up with our recruiting guys.
1C4 3-Level
COURSE ID: E3ABP1C431 000 REPLACED BY: L3ABP1C431 0T0A
TITLE: Tactical Air Command and Control Apprentice
PDS: 0NU DATE ADDED: 1/21/1999
AFSC: 1C431 DATE UPDATED: 10/4/2005
CATEGORY: Technical DOD CODE: 101
SECURITY: START DATE:
MASL: AIRCRAFT:
LOCATION: Hurlburt Field
LENGTH: 73 Days
ORG/PGM: Air Education and Training Command / Enlisted Operations Training
CLASS FREQ:
ADSC DESC: None
WEBLINK: https://www.hurlburt.af.mil/milonly/tenantunits/334det1/
COURSE CONTACT: 334TRS/TRR / 597-5372
Course Description:
Trains personnel who are normally stationed on an Army installation in operation of vehicle mounted and portable radio communications equipment; radio telephone procedures; electronic counter-counter measures; tactical vehicle operations; field skills necessary for sustained combat operations with Army ground units to encompass map reading, compass operations, cover concealment camouflage, and land navigation techniques; comprehensive knowledge of the Tactical Air Control System and Army Air Ground System (TACS/AAGS); how to utilize multiple command assets in joint combat operations to plan and execute tactical air and ground weapons resources in direct support of Army ground maneuver units. Upon graduation, personnel are normally assigned to Army installations worldwide.
Prerequisites:
Must have a valid civilian driver’s license; normal color vision and depth perception according to AFI 48-123 (formerly AFR 160-43); no speech impediment or any physical limitations preventing students from participating in a rigorous physical training program and meeting and maintaining worldwide mobility criteria.
Quota Control:
Recommended Items:
Recommended Packing List: The below listed items are not mandatory but are good comfort items to have during training. All of the items are available at clothing sales.
4x summer weight BDUs (Older uniforms suitable for field training)
2x Jungle Boots (Older boots suitable for field training)
100oz back pack type water system (i.e. Camel Back)
Flight Gloves
2 pairs of running shoes
Digital Watch w/ stopwatch
10 Pairs of Thorlo boot socks
10 pairs of sock liners
Stadtler Lumocolor Permanent Markers (2x Black/Super Fine & 1 Eraser Marker/Bold)
Mini Mag Flashlight w/ red lens
Micro Flashlight w/ red lens
Multi Tool
Folding Knife (3-4″ Blade)
Lighter
Tactical Notepad w/ waterproof paper
5x 36″ Bungee Cords (Green or Black)
Reporting Instructs:
Hand-carry personnel, dental, medical, and driving records. Graduates of the Tactical Air Command and Control Apprentice course will attend S-V80-A, Combat Survival Training, at Fairchild AFB upon completion of technical training. Graduates of the Tactical Air Command and Control course selected for Basic Parachutist training will attend S-V80-A, Combat Survival Training, following completion of basic parachutist course. Address scheduling conflicts to 2 AF/DOPC, DSN 597-1345.
Reporting Instructions Supplemental
Prior Service PCS/TDY Students: (Duration of course/courses less then 20 weeks/100 academic days.) All PCS/TDY active duty or ANG students must report to the orderly room between 0900 and 1600 hours prior to class start date. Every effort should be made to arrive at Hurlburt Field during duty hours. If arrival is after duty hours, students should report to the lodging office, Commando Inn, located in Bldg 90509 for temporary lodging.
Split Training Option (STO) Students: STO students must report the Monday - 1 week prior to their scheduled class start date. Upon arrival at Hurlburt Field, STO students will report directly to their Military Training Flight (see unit of assignment below). STO students should notify the Military Training Flight (DSN579-6855) to provide advanced notice of arrival time and date so that transportation from the airport can be arranged.
NOTES:
1. Pipeline students will be met by an MTF representative and taken directly to dormitory. Split Training Option (STO) students and pipeline students reporting from another wing after elimination/reclassification will be required to report to the MTF upon arrival at Hurlburt Field.
2. All prior service TDY and PCS students (active duty and ANG) MUST in-process the orderly room the first duty day after reporting to Hurlburt Field.
Special Notes:
Student Quarters
Pipeline Students: Pipeline students reporting directly from Basic Military Training or from another training wing after elimination/reclassification will be housed in non-prior service dormitories. Pipeline students who have completed a basic course and are sent for follow-on training should continue to be treated and housed as pipeline students.
Split Training Option (STO) Students: STO students will be treated and housed as pipeline students. Upon arrival at Hurlburt Field STO students will report directly to their Military Training Flight (see unit of assignment under Reporting Instructions on this page).
Prior Service Students: PS students will be treated and housed as non-pipeline students. Upon arrival at Hurlburt Field PS students will report directly to their respective Training Flight for room assignment.
EFFECTIVE 21 MAY 2002: Change to AFI 34-246/AETC Supplement 1, Air Force Lodging Program: Paragraph 1.6.4.2. Managers must maximize the use of on-base lodging. This means that managers may require students to be lodged both on and off base during the course of their TDY, provided students are only moved once and the length of stay in both locations is at least 5 days. For example, if students arrive and space is available for the first 5 days on base and the length of the TDY is 10 days, managers must place the students on base and then move them to off-base lodging for the remaining 5 days. Students must receive 24-hours notice of any move on or off base.
Prior Service PCS and TDY Students: (Duration of course/courses 20 weeks/100 academic days or MORE.) Single or unaccompanied enlisted students in PCS status will reside in prior service dormitories at no cost to the member. If arrival is after duty hours, students should report to the lodging office, Commando Inn, located in Bldg 90509 for temporary lodging. PCS and TDY students accompanied by family members are authorized to stay in temporary lodging facilities (TLF) for up to 10 days while looking for a place to live. Advance reservations for TLF must be made prior to arrival by following the guidance above in Temporary Lodging Reservations.
All Prior-Service (TDY, PCS, or ANG) Students must arrive prior to class start date. If arrival at Hurlburt Field is during the duty day, report to the unit orderly room building 90329, room 121, to in -process. If arrival at Hurlburt Field is after duty hours, students should report to the temporary lodging office as described above. Students will be expected to check out of temporary lodging the next duty day and report to the orderly room for dormitory check-in instructions.
Special Rqmts:
There is a mandatory physical training program for all students assigned to the E3ABP1C431 000 course. Upon start of the course, students are administered a physical conditioning evaluation. If students are found deficient in any of the test areas, they will be put on remedial physical training conducted every duty day. Those students who satisfactorily maintain standards will perform physical training every other duty day. Graduating students must obtain a minimum score of 60 points on each of the following exercises: pushups, sit-ups, and a two-mile run. The Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT), stated in FM 21-20, is used to conduct and evaluate physical training.
Non-prior service (NPS) enlisted (Pipeline) and split training option (STO) students WILL participate in a structured physical conditioning (PC) program. PC uniforms will be standardized by flight upon arrival. Each flight will determine their PT uniform. Until a uniform is established, the initial PC uniform will consist of a brown T-shirt, BDU pants, white socks, and approved running shoes.
Transportation
A Military Training Leader or representative will be at the airport to meet all non-prior service students reporting from BMT. Prior Service TDY/ANG students can either drive from their home or departing units or will have to take a taxi from the airport to the base. The cost of the taxi can be claimed on your travel voucher so make sure you ask for a receipt.
Special Orders
Upon reporting to Bldg 90210, Military Pay Section, personnel must have four copies of orders directing them to attend training along with receipts of authorized expenses.
Weight Management Program
Home unit commanders are responsible to ensure military personnel selected for technical training comply with AFI 40-502, Air Force Weight Management Program, and AETC Supplement to AFI 40-502. Air National Guard members must be in compliance with ANG/MPP Policy Letter, Change in Weight Management Program (WMP) Policy Concerning Operations/Technical Training Courses at AETC Facilities, dated 11 Jul 1997.
Uniform Rqmts:
No organizational hats may be worn with BDUs. The camouflage pattern garrison hat is the only authorized headgear for wear with the BDU. The following paragraphs have additional uniform requirements. Students must adhere to course specific uniform requirements listed on the course announcement. These uniform requirements also apply to ANG Air Technicians attending course.
Enlisted: Personnel attending AFSC pipeline courses must have the service dress uniform with service cap, light blue shirt with short/long sleeves, and four sets of battle dress uniforms (BDU). These uniform requirements also apply to ANG students attending AFSC pipeline courses at Hurlburt Field.
During the period of 1 October through 31 March, students must have field jacket/gortex jacket with liner, thermal underwear, and gloves with liners.
NOTE: Please use the Course Contact office symbol and DSN phone number (at the top of the course announcement) for questions on uniform requirements.
Location Information:
Hurlburt Field USAF
Mary Esther, FL 32544
Note
Course announcements have precedence over these instructions. Follow any specific guidance provided in course announcements.
Reporting Location and Time
During duty hours (0700-1600 CST), report to Bldg 90350, 4442 TCG student dormitory. After duty hours report to the base Billeting Office, Bldg 90509, in uniform. Students arriving after duty hours report to 4442 TCG student dormitory at 0800 on the next duty day, in uniform. TDY students report NET 0730, 2 duty days before class start date and NLT 0800, 1 duty day before class start date. Upon graduation from course E3ABP1C431 000, students will proceed, as a class, to AETC Combat Survival Training Course (S-V80-A). 4442d TCG/CCQS personnel will prepare orders and make all travel arrangements for pipeline students. For TDY students, the losing unit should include TDY en route to AETC Combat Survival Training Course (S-V80-A) following successful completion of course E3ABP1C431 000 on student’s orders.
For AFS0F3ZIT0 only: All students should report to the base billeting office, bldg 90509. Reservations will be made by the AFSOC/INFT staff. Questions regarding billeting or student billeting confirmation numbers can be directed to INFT at DSN 579-4316/2841. The I-FTU course is held in Building 91255, Helicopter Generation Squadron.
Quarters
All students attending course E3ABP1C431 000, Tactical Air Command and Control Specialist, are required to reside in the student dormitory.
For AFS0F3ZIT0 students only: All students will be billeted on base unless otherwise notified.
Transportation
Government quarters and adequate dining facilities are within walking distance of the training facility. Government transportation is available. All students attending course E3ABP1C431 000, Tactical Air Command and Control Specialist, are required to march to and from school.
For AFS0F3ZIT0 students only: One rental car will be available for each class. The senior ranking member of each class will have the rental car authorized on their orders unless otherwise notified. This member is responsible for providing transportation for the class, as required.
Uniform Requirements
Duty uniform for all course E3ABP1C431 000 students is the utility uniform (BDUs); however, students are required to have the complete issue of clothing. Also, due to regularly scheduled PC requirements, running shoes and athletic clothes are required.
For AFS0F3ZIT0 students only: The duty uniform for all students is BDUs
Physical Conditioning (PC)
A mandatory PC program for all students assigned to course E3ABP1C431 000 has been established. At course start, PC will consist of stretching exercises, calisthenics, and a 2-mile run. Graduating students must obtain a minimum score of 60 points on the Army Physical Readiness Test (APRT) according to Army Field Manual 21-20. For entry into the school, it is recommended that students condition themselves to be able to accomplish the following:
Push-ups. 32 push-ups in a 2-minute time period - must remain in the push-up position for the entire 2 minutes with short rest periods only in the up position. Sit-ups. 42 sit-ups in a 2-minute time period — feet may be held.
Two-mile run. Run two miles in less than 17 minutes and 30 seconds.
Answer: There is, unfortunately, no clear cut answer here. Each type of unit is different. Armor units will have a decidedly different PT regimen then an Airborne unit, and SF and Ranger guys are far to the right of the Airborne. So really its going to depend alot. For the basics PT is every day from some time around 0600 until done. Again, the length and breadth of the pain is dependent upon the type of unit. I was at SF last so lets take that as the extreme, we were also self motivated here as there were only 4 of us so most of the time you are doing PT with maybe one other. 0600 show time. Alot of abs and pushups. Until you feel like you are going to hurl…then 20 more. 100 pullups…just because they sucked. The “movement” part varied. I liked to run stadiums so on days I was the lead thats what we would do. You run “to” the stadium (about 2 miles the long way), then you run around the stadium…but not like around a circle, instead you go up onto the first stair case you can find, run to the top, across to the next down, then across to the next up, until you go all the way around. To “rest” one guy, usually the first guy in from that circle, got to pick a “resting” event to allow the legs to cool downs some. My absolute favorite is the 12 count body builder (go look that one up on google. its too detailed to put in here…suffice to say it sucks). Then its another lap until 5 laps are completed. Then its run back to the building. Shower and you are ready to start your day. On “alone days” [we were 4 guys supporting 3 SF battalions with 3 companies each...thats 52 teams sports fans...we were BUSY) I usually ran for distance. I was a marathon runner so between 12 and 18 miles was my standard for an "enjoyable" run. At 1600 hrs we would again jump into our now dry, but odorous PTs and hit the weight benches for upper body strength work. Alot of reps, not significant weight. This was an every day occurrence with friday being "smoke day"...use what ever evil imagination you have here...Fridays sucked.
Ok, so that is what we did at SF. A typical mechanized unit will do organized PT (remember there are about 50+ shooters in a TACP) from 0700 until done. This will include flutter kicks, pushups, situps, pushups, 3-5 mile run, pushups, pullups, pushups...you get the idea. There are messages on the ROMAD.COM message board that better describe what is being done from unit to unit.
Ok, so you are good and worked out, whats next?
Again, thats a big depends. If you are a mech unit you have vehicles to maintain, vehicle mounted radios to inspect, check and test and a myriad of items to look at, touch and insure optimal working order in case the call comes to pack your kit.
Airborne, SF and Ranger units all tend to operate the same with respect to what they do next. There are parachute jumps to make, portable radios to inspect and validate in working order, monitoring your "go bag" to make sure its up to par. If the call comes for you, you have a VERY short time line...sometimes in the hours. You do not have time to be rooting around in your garage to find your helmet.
All units have a training manager that will endevour to absorb more of your day as you have mandatory training events that are on a schedule. Depending on the availability of instructors this may make the training Unit Wide with everyone attending, or it could be YOU are selected to instruct on some skill you have such as combat medic. Here is one thing you need to have handy, and we made great use of it in SF. Take 10 3x5 cards and put out a basic syllabus on them for 10 different events. Like PRC-117F radio HQ mode operations, or Combat Medic gunshot trama steps or how to make an expedient thermal marker from an MRE. Put them in a plastic baggie and carry them in one of your upper pockets. When you are in the field, if everyone has done this, you can make a BORING field exercise into an impromptu training event. Maybe you will learn something you didnt know before, but you WILL be up to speed personally on that particular area. Trust me, it helps make time go by and keeps your skills fresh.
Answer: This is a question that has been answered on the message board, but right now I know our SRB is one of the top 3 in the whole of the Air Force. Our guys are getting gobs of cash to join and stay in. when you visit a TACP you can usually tell who is getting what tier of money by what they are driving. MSgts are driving junk...airmen are driving brand new trucks, sports cars or crotch rockets. .
On 4.23.2004 1C4X1 TAC AIR COMD & CONTROL
5.0 4.5 2.5
ZONE A: 17 MOS - 6 YRS SVC; ZONE B: 6-10
YRS SVC; ZONE C: 10-14 YRS SVC. B. AN "X" SUFFIX INCLUDES
BASIC AFSC AND ALL SHREDS UNLESS SPECIFICALLY INDICATED. C. MAXIMUM
BONUS AUTHORIZED IS $60,000.00.
Answer: No. There are several requirements to work with the Special Forces or any SOF type unit (SF, not to be confused with the Security Forces which are not even in the same league with my army buddies). What you need to have is maturity, in both actions, rank, and experience in the career field. What makes us different in the way we support SF as opposed to some other AFSC's, we have tryouts, we have a minimum rank requirement and we validate our selections that we send there. When supporting a "conventional" unit you are going to have a team of guys with you. An ALO is going to provide the Liaison function between the TACP element, the Army Ground commander and the entire USAF. Your play will be as part of a TACP team. When you go to the Rangers or the Special Forces, You are part of THEIR team solo. You will be operating as part of a Special Forces A team or as part of a Ranger Company. You will be the only blue suit within miles. You will be filling the role of ALO, TACP, ETAC, CINC everything Air Force and, oh by the way, will be expected to know everything Army. Your mission usually consists of taking AF Speak and converting it to Army Speak. We two services do not speak the same languages, and if you are attached to a foreign national unit, its the same problem in spades. Not only do they not understand english very well in most cases, their way of fighting and coordination is totally different. I worked with the French Foreign Legion in Egypt and that was probably the most challenged I have been to insure that Joint Fires occurs without any causalities.
WARNING WARNING. PERSONAL OPINION[but its my webpage so suck it up]
When I went through techschool, the 16th guy in our class dropped on zero day because he was a conscience objector. Great, happy for him. He should have told them that at Lackland, but in those days the TI’s had zero idea of where Hurlburt Field was much less what a TACP did. For those of you looking to join this field, be advised. You are going to be asked to sign a check, payable for “up to, and including my life…” when you put on the beret. You will be sent to places that suck to kill people that are enemies of this country. If you are coming into the AF for your college degree then I’m happy for you, become an admin..they don’t travel. Saying you can’t go on a mission because you have a midterm coming up…not going to fly. I managed to do my degree while on the road, you just have to pick the appropriate college (like Grantham.edu. very good school, and they will work with you).
Before you sign the paperwork to become a TACP you need to do a reality check on this.
I have no issue with those that do not want to pick up a rifle and defend the country…oh, and just so you know…WE don’t pick the places to go fight…the President does. You have a problem with where we are fighting then take it up with him. When I run across people who have never fought, never defended their country nor have any real clue about whats going on in the world, instead, believing everything that CNN is telling them I have this to say “…I put my life on the line and killed others so that you have the right to express your opinion, practice your religion of choice and freely, and openly demonstrate your feelings without fear of being slaughtered wholesale, tossed into prison never to return, nor fear for your families life…I was willing to DIE to protect your rights…HOWEVER, do not, for one minute, believe that I personally, want to hear your opinion on this or any subject…buy me a beer and we will call it a day”.
You want to object? Fine, just do it someplace else…I have no time for you…




