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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS (FAQ)

Best Place for Information?

What do you do on a day to day basis?

Is there an SRB bonus?

What Kinds of TDYs would I be able to go on?

Can I go to a Special Forces Unit?

What PT standard should I be shooting for before I go to Florida?

Conscience Objectors!

I’m a SSgt, will I have people working for me?

Joint Spouse

What Schools can I attend?

How much will I be TDY?

I’m in the Guard, How do I go Active?

My recruiter had no idea about this job.

The Techschool  Also a news

article about it AETC Torch

 

Q. 

Best Place for Information?

 First hit the message board on this site, its

under communications. On there you will find two areas that will answer your questions.

first is ‘Ask the School House’ then there is ‘Cross Training’. HIGHLY recommend that you

read all the posts before posting a question. 99 times out of 100, its already been asked

and answered. Next is your MPF. Although they may not have much, they might have something

you can use. If you are coming into the military then your recruiter is a good start

but if he knows nothing about this job then pass him my email and have him get in contact

with me and I’ll link him up with our recruiting guys.

1C4 3-Level

COURSE ID: E3ABP1C431 000 REPLACED BY: L3ABP1C431 0T0A

TITLE: Tactical Air Command and Control Apprentice

PDS: 0NU DATE ADDED: 1/21/1999

AFSC: 1C431 DATE UPDATED: 10/4/2005

CATEGORY: Technical DOD CODE: 101

SECURITY: START DATE:

MASL: AIRCRAFT:

LOCATION: Hurlburt Field

LENGTH: 73 Days

ORG/PGM: Air Education and Training Command / Enlisted Operations Training

CLASS FREQ:

ADSC DESC: None

WEBLINK: https://www.hurlburt.af.mil/milonly/tenantunits/334det1/

COURSE CONTACT: 334TRS/TRR / 597-5372

Course Description:

Trains personnel who are normally stationed on an Army installation in operation of vehicle mounted and portable radio communications equipment; radio telephone procedures; electronic counter-counter measures; tactical vehicle operations; field skills necessary for sustained combat operations with Army ground units to encompass map reading, compass operations, cover concealment camouflage, and land navigation techniques; comprehensive knowledge of the Tactical Air Control System and Army Air Ground System (TACS/AAGS); how to utilize multiple command assets in joint combat operations to plan and execute tactical air and ground weapons resources in direct support of Army ground maneuver units. Upon graduation, personnel are normally assigned to Army installations worldwide.

Prerequisites:

Must have a valid civilian driver’s license; normal color vision and depth perception according to AFI 48-123 (formerly AFR 160-43); no speech impediment or any physical limitations preventing students from participating in a rigorous physical training program and meeting and maintaining worldwide mobility criteria.

Quota Control:

Recommended Items:

Recommended Packing List: The below listed items are not mandatory but are good comfort items to have during training. All of the items are available at clothing sales.

4x summer weight BDUs (Older uniforms suitable for field training)

2x Jungle Boots (Older boots suitable for field training)

100oz back pack type water system (i.e. Camel Back)

Flight Gloves

2 pairs of running shoes

Digital Watch w/ stopwatch

10 Pairs of Thorlo boot socks

10 pairs of sock liners

Stadtler Lumocolor Permanent Markers (2x Black/Super Fine & 1 Eraser Marker/Bold)

Mini Mag Flashlight w/ red lens

Micro Flashlight w/ red lens

Multi Tool

Folding Knife (3-4″ Blade)

Lighter

Tactical Notepad w/ waterproof paper

5x 36″ Bungee Cords (Green or Black)

Reporting Instructs:

Hand-carry personnel, dental, medical, and driving records. Graduates of the Tactical Air Command and Control Apprentice course will attend S-V80-A, Combat Survival Training, at Fairchild AFB upon completion of technical training. Graduates of the Tactical Air Command and Control course selected for Basic Parachutist training will attend S-V80-A, Combat Survival Training, following completion of basic parachutist course. Address scheduling conflicts to 2 AF/DOPC, DSN 597-1345.

Reporting Instructions Supplemental

Prior Service PCS/TDY Students: (Duration of course/courses less then 20 weeks/100 academic days.) All PCS/TDY active duty or ANG students must report to the orderly room between 0900 and 1600 hours prior to class start date. Every effort should be made to arrive at Hurlburt Field during duty hours. If arrival is after duty hours, students should report to the lodging office, Commando Inn, located in Bldg 90509 for temporary lodging.

Split Training Option (STO) Students: STO students must report the Monday - 1 week prior to their scheduled class start date. Upon arrival at Hurlburt Field, STO students will report directly to their Military Training Flight (see unit of assignment below). STO students should notify the Military Training Flight (DSN579-6855) to provide advanced notice of arrival time and date so that transportation from the airport can be arranged.

NOTES:

1. Pipeline students will be met by an MTF representative and taken directly to dormitory. Split Training Option (STO) students and pipeline students reporting from another wing after elimination/reclassification will be required to report to the MTF upon arrival at Hurlburt Field.

2. All prior service TDY and PCS students (active duty and ANG) MUST in-process the orderly room the first duty day after reporting to Hurlburt Field.

Special Notes:

Student Quarters

Pipeline Students: Pipeline students reporting directly from Basic Military Training or from another training wing after elimination/reclassification will be housed in non-prior service dormitories. Pipeline students who have completed a basic course and are sent for follow-on training should continue to be treated and housed as pipeline students.

Split Training Option (STO) Students: STO students will be treated and housed as pipeline students. Upon arrival at Hurlburt Field STO students will report directly to their Military Training Flight (see unit of assignment under Reporting Instructions on this page).

Prior Service Students: PS students will be treated and housed as non-pipeline students. Upon arrival at Hurlburt Field PS students will report directly to their respective Training Flight for room assignment.

EFFECTIVE 21 MAY 2002: Change to AFI 34-246/AETC Supplement 1, Air Force Lodging Program: Paragraph 1.6.4.2. Managers must maximize the use of on-base lodging. This means that managers may require students to be lodged both on and off base during the course of their TDY, provided students are only moved once and the length of stay in both locations is at least 5 days. For example, if students arrive and space is available for the first 5 days on base and the length of the TDY is 10 days, managers must place the students on base and then move them to off-base lodging for the remaining 5 days. Students must receive 24-hours notice of any move on or off base.

Prior Service PCS and TDY Students: (Duration of course/courses 20 weeks/100 academic days or MORE.) Single or unaccompanied enlisted students in PCS status will reside in prior service dormitories at no cost to the member. If arrival is after duty hours, students should report to the lodging office, Commando Inn, located in Bldg 90509 for temporary lodging. PCS and TDY students accompanied by family members are authorized to stay in temporary lodging facilities (TLF) for up to 10 days while looking for a place to live. Advance reservations for TLF must be made prior to arrival by following the guidance above in Temporary Lodging Reservations.

All Prior-Service (TDY, PCS, or ANG) Students must arrive prior to class start date. If arrival at Hurlburt Field is during the duty day, report to the unit orderly room building 90329, room 121, to in -process. If arrival at Hurlburt Field is after duty hours, students should report to the temporary lodging office as described above. Students will be expected to check out of temporary lodging the next duty day and report to the orderly room for dormitory check-in instructions.

Special Rqmts:

There is a mandatory physical training program for all students assigned to the E3ABP1C431 000 course. Upon start of the course, students are administered a physical conditioning evaluation. If students are found deficient in any of the test areas, they will be put on remedial physical training conducted every duty day. Those students who satisfactorily maintain standards will perform physical training every other duty day. Graduating students must obtain a minimum score of 60 points on each of the following exercises: pushups, sit-ups, and a two-mile run. The Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT), stated in FM 21-20, is used to conduct and evaluate physical training.

Non-prior service (NPS) enlisted (Pipeline) and split training option (STO) students WILL participate in a structured physical conditioning (PC) program. PC uniforms will be standardized by flight upon arrival. Each flight will determine their PT uniform. Until a uniform is established, the initial PC uniform will consist of a brown T-shirt, BDU pants, white socks, and approved running shoes.

Transportation

A Military Training Leader or representative will be at the airport to meet all non-prior service students reporting from BMT. Prior Service TDY/ANG students can either drive from their home or departing units or will have to take a taxi from the airport to the base. The cost of the taxi can be claimed on your travel voucher so make sure you ask for a receipt.

Special Orders

Upon reporting to Bldg 90210, Military Pay Section, personnel must have four copies of orders directing them to attend training along with receipts of authorized expenses.

Weight Management Program

Home unit commanders are responsible to ensure military personnel selected for technical training comply with AFI 40-502, Air Force Weight Management Program, and AETC Supplement to AFI 40-502. Air National Guard members must be in compliance with ANG/MPP Policy Letter, Change in Weight Management Program (WMP) Policy Concerning Operations/Technical Training Courses at AETC Facilities, dated 11 Jul 1997.

Uniform Rqmts:

No organizational hats may be worn with BDUs. The camouflage pattern garrison hat is the only authorized headgear for wear with the BDU. The following paragraphs have additional uniform requirements. Students must adhere to course specific uniform requirements listed on the course announcement. These uniform requirements also apply to ANG Air Technicians attending course.

Enlisted: Personnel attending AFSC pipeline courses must have the service dress uniform with service cap, light blue shirt with short/long sleeves, and four sets of battle dress uniforms (BDU). These uniform requirements also apply to ANG students attending AFSC pipeline courses at Hurlburt Field.

During the period of 1 October through 31 March, students must have field jacket/gortex jacket with liner, thermal underwear, and gloves with liners.

NOTE: Please use the Course Contact office symbol and DSN phone number (at the top of the course announcement) for questions on uniform requirements.

Location Information:

Hurlburt Field USAF

Mary Esther, FL 32544

Note

Course announcements have precedence over these instructions. Follow any specific guidance provided in course announcements.

Reporting Location and Time

During duty hours (0700-1600 CST), report to Bldg 90350, 4442 TCG student dormitory. After duty hours report to the base Billeting Office, Bldg 90509, in uniform. Students arriving after duty hours report to 4442 TCG student dormitory at 0800 on the next duty day, in uniform. TDY students report NET 0730, 2 duty days before class start date and NLT 0800, 1 duty day before class start date. Upon graduation from course E3ABP1C431 000, students will proceed, as a class, to AETC Combat Survival Training Course (S-V80-A). 4442d TCG/CCQS personnel will prepare orders and make all travel arrangements for pipeline students. For TDY students, the losing unit should include TDY en route to AETC Combat Survival Training Course (S-V80-A) following successful completion of course E3ABP1C431 000 on student’s orders.

For AFS0F3ZIT0 only: All students should report to the base billeting office, bldg 90509. Reservations will be made by the AFSOC/INFT staff. Questions regarding billeting or student billeting confirmation numbers can be directed to INFT at DSN 579-4316/2841. The I-FTU course is held in Building 91255, Helicopter Generation Squadron.

Quarters

All students attending course E3ABP1C431 000, Tactical Air Command and Control Specialist, are required to reside in the student dormitory.

For AFS0F3ZIT0 students only: All students will be billeted on base unless otherwise notified.

Transportation

Government quarters and adequate dining facilities are within walking distance of the training facility. Government transportation is available. All students attending course E3ABP1C431 000, Tactical Air Command and Control Specialist, are required to march to and from school.

For AFS0F3ZIT0 students only: One rental car will be available for each class. The senior ranking member of each class will have the rental car authorized on their orders unless otherwise notified. This member is responsible for providing transportation for the class, as required.

Uniform Requirements

Duty uniform for all course E3ABP1C431 000 students is the utility uniform (BDUs); however, students are required to have the complete issue of clothing. Also, due to regularly scheduled PC requirements, running shoes and athletic clothes are required.

For AFS0F3ZIT0 students only: The duty uniform for all students is BDUs

Physical Conditioning (PC)

A mandatory PC program for all students assigned to course E3ABP1C431 000 has been established. At course start, PC will consist of stretching exercises, calisthenics, and a 2-mile run. Graduating students must obtain a minimum score of 60 points on the Army Physical Readiness Test (APRT) according to Army Field Manual 21-20. For entry into the school, it is recommended that students condition themselves to be able to accomplish the following:

Push-ups. 32 push-ups in a 2-minute time period - must remain in the push-up position for the entire 2 minutes with short rest periods only in the up position. Sit-ups. 42 sit-ups in a 2-minute time period — feet may be held.

Two-mile run. Run two miles in less than 17 minutes and 30 seconds.

Q. 

What do you do on a Day to Day Basis?

Answer: There is, unfortunately, no clear cut answer here. Each type of unit is different. Armor units will have a decidedly different PT regimen then an Airborne unit, and SF and Ranger guys are far to the right of the Airborne. So really its going to depend alot. For the basics PT is every day from some time around 0600 until done. Again, the length and breadth of the pain is dependent upon the type of unit. I was at SF last so lets take that as the extreme, we were also self motivated here as there were only 4 of us so most of the time you are doing PT with maybe one other. 0600 show time. Alot of abs and pushups. Until you feel like you are going to hurl…then 20 more. 100 pullups…just because they sucked. The “movement” part varied. I liked to run stadiums so on days I was the lead thats what we would do. You run “to” the stadium (about 2 miles the long way), then you run around the stadium…but not like around a circle, instead you go up onto the first stair case you can find, run to the top, across to the next down, then across to the next up, until you go all the way around. To “rest” one guy, usually the first guy in from that circle, got to pick a “resting” event to allow the legs to cool downs some. My absolute favorite is the 12 count body builder (go look that one up on google. its too detailed to put in here…suffice to say it sucks). Then its another lap until 5 laps are completed. Then its run back to the building. Shower and you are ready to start your day. On “alone days” [we were 4 guys supporting 3 SF battalions with 3 companies each...thats 52 teams sports fans...we were BUSY) I usually ran for distance. I was a marathon runner so between 12 and 18 miles was my standard for an "enjoyable" run. At 1600 hrs we would again jump into our now dry, but odorous PTs and hit the weight benches for upper body strength work. Alot of reps, not significant weight. This was an every day occurrence with friday being "smoke day"...use what ever evil imagination you have here...Fridays sucked.

Ok, so that is what we did at SF. A typical mechanized unit will do organized PT (remember there are about 50+ shooters in a TACP) from 0700 until done. This will include flutter kicks, pushups, situps, pushups, 3-5 mile run, pushups, pullups, pushups...you get the idea. There are messages on the ROMAD.COM message board that better describe what is being done from unit to unit.

Ok, so you are good and worked out, whats next?

Again, thats a big depends. If you are a mech unit you have vehicles to maintain, vehicle mounted radios to inspect, check and test and a myriad of items to look at, touch and insure optimal working order in case the call comes to pack your kit.
Airborne, SF and Ranger units all tend to operate the same with respect to what they do next. There are parachute jumps to make, portable radios to inspect and validate in working order, monitoring your "go bag" to make sure its up to par. If the call comes for you, you have a VERY short time line...sometimes in the hours. You do not have time to be rooting around in your garage to find your helmet.

All units have a training manager that will endevour to absorb more of your day as you have mandatory training events that are on a schedule. Depending on the availability of instructors this may make the training Unit Wide with everyone attending, or it could be YOU are selected to instruct on some skill you have such as combat medic. Here is one thing you need to have handy, and we made great use of it in SF. Take 10 3x5 cards and put out a basic syllabus on them for 10 different events. Like PRC-117F radio HQ mode operations, or Combat Medic gunshot trama steps or how to make an expedient thermal marker from an MRE. Put them in a plastic baggie and carry them in one of your upper pockets. When you are in the field, if everyone has done this, you can make a BORING field exercise into an impromptu training event. Maybe you will learn something you didnt know before, but you WILL be up to speed personally on that particular area. Trust me, it helps make time go by and keeps your skills fresh.

Q. 

Is there an SRB Bonus?

     Answer: This is a question that has been answered on the message board, but right now I know our SRB is one of the top 3 in the whole of the Air Force. Our guys are getting gobs of cash to join and stay in. when you visit a TACP you can usually tell who is getting what tier of money by what they are driving. MSgts are driving junk...airmen are driving brand new trucks, sports cars or crotch rockets. .

On 4.23.2004  1C4X1   TAC AIR COMD & CONTROL 

5.0     4.5     2.5

ZONE A:  17 MOS - 6 YRS SVC; ZONE B:  6-10

YRS SVC; ZONE C: 10-14 YRS SVC. B.  AN "X" SUFFIX INCLUDES

BASIC AFSC AND ALL SHREDS UNLESS SPECIFICALLY INDICATED. C.  MAXIMUM

BONUS AUTHORIZED IS $60,000.00.

Q. 

What kinds of TDYs would I be able to go on?

Answer: The current operations tempo puts us in all the hotspots on the planet where America has interests. The Army command staff has a slogan "TACP...never leave home without one" so to put it bluntly...busier than a one legged man at an asskicking competition. Iraq and Afghanistan are givens, but we also support remains recovery in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia, a standing presence in Korea and half a dozen other locations you see on the news. The time you spend in place is dependent on where you are, and what unit you are aligned with. Too many variables here so you will just have to call your receiving unit and see what their ops tempo looks like. Suffice to say, right now we are super busy.
Q. 

Can I go directly to a Special Forces/Ranger Unit?

Answer: No. There are several requirements to work with the Special Forces or any SOF type unit (SF, not to be confused with the Security Forces which are not even in the same league with my army buddies). What you need to have is maturity, in both actions, rank, and experience in the career field. What makes us different in the way we support SF as opposed to some other AFSC's, we have tryouts, we have a minimum rank requirement and we validate our selections that we send there. When supporting a "conventional" unit you are going to have a team of guys with you. An ALO is going to provide the Liaison function between the TACP element, the Army Ground commander and the entire USAF. Your play will be as part of a TACP team. When you go to the Rangers or the Special Forces, You are part of THEIR team solo. You will be operating as part of a Special Forces A team or as part of a Ranger Company. You will be the only blue suit within miles. You will be filling the role of ALO, TACP, ETAC, CINC everything Air Force and, oh by the way, will be expected to know everything Army. Your mission usually consists of taking AF Speak and converting it to Army Speak. We two services do not speak the same languages, and if you are attached to a foreign national unit, its the same problem in spades. Not only do they not understand english very well in most cases, their way of fighting and coordination is totally different. I worked with the French Foreign Legion in Egypt and that was probably the most challenged I have been to insure that Joint Fires occurs without any causalities.

Q. Conscience Objectors!

WARNING WARNING. PERSONAL OPINION[but its my webpage so suck it up]
When I went through techschool, the 16th guy in our class dropped on zero day because he was a conscience objector. Great, happy for him. He should have told them that at Lackland, but in those days the TI’s had zero idea of where Hurlburt Field was much less what a TACP did. For those of you looking to join this field, be advised. You are going to be asked to sign a check, payable for “up to, and including my life…” when you put on the beret. You will be sent to places that suck to kill people that are enemies of this country. If you are coming into the AF for your college degree then I’m happy for you, become an admin..they don’t travel. Saying you can’t go on a mission because you have a midterm coming up…not going to fly. I managed to do my degree while on the road, you just have to pick the appropriate college (like Grantham.edu. very good school, and they will work with you).

Before you sign the paperwork to become a TACP you need to do a reality check on this.

Are you willing to support and defend the United States of America against all Enemies Foreign and Domestic?

I have no issue with those that do not want to pick up a rifle and defend the country…oh, and just so you know…WE don’t pick the places to go fight…the President does. You have a problem with where we are fighting then take it up with him. When I run across people who have never fought, never defended their country nor have any real clue about whats going on in the world, instead, believing everything that CNN is telling them I have this to say “…I put my life on the line and killed others so that you have the right to express your opinion, practice your religion of choice and freely, and openly demonstrate your feelings without fear of being slaughtered wholesale, tossed into prison never to return, nor fear for your families life…I was willing to DIE to protect your rights…HOWEVER, do not, for one minute, believe that I personally, want to hear your opinion on this or any subject…buy me a beer and we will call it a day”.
You want to object? Fine, just do it someplace else…I have no time for you…

Q. 

Joint Spouse

Answer: Yes, its do-able, but not easy. If you married an Army girl then you are probably good to go. There are very few TACP units that are close to Air Force bases. Ft Bragg and Ft Carson begin two of the notable exceptions. Now Korea is also moving everyone down towards Osan so that might also be possible. You are going to need to think long and hard about this one. Back in the day you could get dropped at Ft Bragg or Ft Hood and stay their forever. Today we are moving our guys around alot for various reasons. Check with your spouse first. Before I put in for or accepted an assignment I would always talk it out with HouseHold 6. Its just a good idea and explains why I’m still married after…geez…over 20 years.

Q. 

What Schools can I attend?

Answer: Its easier to list those that you cannot really. Essentially all the Army schools are open, some USMC and Navy ones too. Essentially it comes down to this: If you can justify the school (and not because its just a pretty patch) and can find funding and a slot you can probably go. A long time ago we had alot of Patchmasters in the careerfield. Lots of badges but no real utility from them. Luckily that trend is gone and we have guys that are attending courses and bringing that information back to train the rest of the team.

So Hard to get schools like Pathfinder and the Mountain Leaders course, that knowledge comes back to the unit.
Courses that require speciailzed equipment such as Static Line, HALO, HAHO, Demolitions, Sniper etc, become part of that persons METL task listing and require perodic updates so that they remain current. There is also pay allowances for these such as Jump or Demo pay so thats part of the equation. If you are at a Mech unit then the possibility of getting a HALO slot are significantly reduced so what kind of unit you are with is going to drive some of this.

Q. 

How much will I be TDY?

Answer: This is not a simple question. First the “buckets”. You will be placed in a bucket for deployment that could last up to 1 year but is usually a 3-6 month mission. This bucket is so that you know the possible date window so you can plan your life. Other travel for schools is handled outside the bucket so you could go from a school to a deployment back to back. For the first year I was in the job I was home about 1 month total. 3 Ft Irwin rotations, 1 JRTC rotation, 5 schools. It was pretty hectic. Now add in rotations into theater and you get the overall picture. The Buckets do not matter to type of unit. You are bucketized by your basic METL task of being a JTAC. You might not even deploy with your aligned unit.

Q. 

I’m in the Guard, How do I go Active?

Answer: Very good question. I wish I had a good answer for you. The best resource I can recommend is the National Guard 1C4 FAM. He will have the best, and latest information on what openings there are and how to “jump the fence”. You can also hit the message boards and ask the question there to the whole community. This kind of thing is happening all the time. When you figure out the defacto information post a note on the message boards so that others do not need to repeat the research/exploration.

Q.

My recruiter had no idea about this job.

     Answer: No surprise. Most don’t. It is an uphill battle here. These guys are very busy trying to fill every job opening we have in the Air Force so they can’t know everything. Especially not to the detail YOU are looking for. When they are TOTALLY clueless point them here and we can square them away. If you ARE a recruiter reading this then you should know that I have set up a specific area in the message boards for you. You can ask questions and get responses from our guys in the field and at Lackland. Those guys down there, and some of the other experienced recruiters we have are probably your best resource. When you initially create your account on the message board put in one of the fields that you are a recruiter (or send me a simple email) and I’ll link you up with all those guys.